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Useful links

Here's some useful links to pages that explain the CTMU: http://www.teleologic.org/ http://www.megafoundation.org/

Bob (talk) 20:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Bob! For more links, try our CTMU sources page. Tim Smith (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Other media sources?

I believe Langan has been a guest on Coast to Coast Radio. Finding it publicly available has been a bit of a treasure hunt. Is Langan able to request a copy and share? Is it protected material of Coast to Coast?

I particularly liked Langan's discussion of time when the host asks if there is something fundamental which most overlook and take for granted.

BRA1N-b0X (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I've updated the link at CTMU sources to point to an available copy. Tim Smith (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't the BBC one, right? BRA1N-b0X (talk) 01:33, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, yep... You got it. BRA1N-b0X (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Mega Test

AryanOverlord:

I am aware of the claim that Langan’s first attempt only answered those questions which it got right enough for membership to the Mega Society and left the remainder blank due to time constraints which he later submitted on a second attempt in order to treat it as a single attempt in an untimed test. I don’t have a copy of the submitted tests to verify that but it does show that he has justified a degree of prevarication about his performative intelligence.

AryanOverlord (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC) AryanOverlord

RationalWiki

AryanOverlord:

I’ll make sure the RationalWiki is also linked here from their page: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan#References

AryanOverlord (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC) AryanOverlord

Preserving Racial Identity and War Records

Brief Life History of Melvin Edward When Melvin Edward Letman was born on 2 March 1924, in Denver, Colorado, United States, his father, Morris Letman, was 33 and his mother, Dina Factor, was 31. He married Geraldine Mary Gordon on 21 February 1970, in Las Vegas, Clark, Nevada, United States. He lived in Election District S, Denver, Colorado, United States for about 5 years. He died on 16 January 1976, in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico, at the age of 51. https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/MW93-HLC/melvin-edward-letman-1924-1976

All U.S., World War II Jewish Servicemen Cards, 1942-1947 results for Melvin Letman https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2125/?name=Melvin_Letman

Pg. 59 - Jewish World War 2 Veterans https://worldwartwoveterans.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/American-Jews-in-World-War-Two-Volume-2-Part-1-of-2.pdf

National Jewish Welfare Board, Bureau Of War Records http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~ajhs_pb~r!!249

https://archives.cjh.org//repositories/3/resources/19721

“DINA LETMAN Funeral services will be conducted 3 p.m. Sunday in Bunker Bros Mortuary Chapel for Dina Letman, 85. of 1580 Vegas Valley Drive, who died Thursday in a local hospital Rabbi Phillip Shnairson. and Cantor Joseph Kohn. both of Temple Beth Sholom. will officiate with interment of to follow in Woodlawn Cemetery’s Temple Section Letman was a member of Temple Beth Sholom. A Las Vegas resident 15 years, she was born May 5. 1892. in Chernigov. Russia She was a homemaker Letman is survived bv her son. Harold Letman of Denver. Colo.; daughter. Charlotte Skolnick of Las Vegas, brother. Ben Factor of San Francisco. Calif, four grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren;” https://newspaperarchive.com/obituary-clipping-oct-08-1977-453610/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90275970/dina-letman

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90275912/morris-letman

“Brood parasites are animals that rely on others to raise their young. The strategy appears among birds, insects and fish. The brood parasite manipulates a host, either of the same or of another species, to raise its young as if it were its own, usually using egg mimicry, with eggs that resemble the host's.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brood_parasite

WKUK Race War! https://youtu.be/VYy77IGsBFc

“Leopold, who graduated from the University of Chicago at age 18, spoke nine languages and had an IQ of 200, but purportedly had perverse sexual desires. Loeb, also unusually gifted, graduated from college at 17 and was fascinated with criminal psychology.” https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/leopold-and-loeb-gain-national-attention#

“Nathan Freudenthal Leopold Jr. was born on November 19, 1904, in Chicago, Illinois, the third son of Florence (née Foreman) and Nathan Leopold Sr., a wealthy German-Jewish immigrant family. … Richard Albert Loeb was born on June 11, 1905, in Chicago, the third of four sons of Anna Henrietta (née Bohnen) and Albert Henry Loeb, a wealthy lawyer and retired vice president of Sears, Roebuck & Company. His father was Jewish and his mother was Catholic. Like Leopold, Loeb was exceptionally intelligent. … usually referred to collectively as Leopold and Loeb, were two American students at the University of Chicago who kidnapped and murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks in Chicago, Illinois, United States, on May 21, 1924. They committed the murder – characterized at the time as "the crime of the century" – hoping to demonstrate superior intellect, which they believed enabled and entitled them to carry out a "perfect crime" without consequences. … He had achieved a measure of national recognition as an ornithologist. Leopold and several other ornithologists identified nesting sites of Kirtland's warblers and made astute observations about the parasitic nesting behavior of brown-headed cowbirds, which threatened the warblers.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

“What were Leopold and Loeb’s IQ scores?

We don’t know. In 1924 Leopold and Loeb were given the Stanford-Binet IQ test, which was meant primarily for children and graded based on the number of tests that were passed as well as the age of the subject. Because Leopold and Loeb were in their late teens, the test didn’t really work well for them. And, as one psychiatrist pointed out, Leopold finished some tests faster than anyone he had ever seen, but there were no extra points awarded for that. Because Leopold and Loeb passed and failed the same number of tests but Loeb was slightly younger, Loeb received an IQ score of 119 and Leopold of 118. This put them only in the ‘high average’ category, though as explained, this wasn’t a good estimate of their actual intelligence, and modern IQ tests have changed dramatically regardless.

It’s very often cited that Leopold had an IQ of over 200, and that comes from another test and another misunderstanding. In Joliet-Stateville, all new prisoners were given the Army Alpha or Army Beta, tests used by the US Army in World War 1 to see what jobs their new recruits might be suitable for. They were just multiple choice tests with 212 questions and the number you got right was your score. During their initial Army Alpha tests, Leopold scored a 205 and Loeb a 176, putting them in the highest bracket and indicating that both were ‘men of marked intellectuality. They are of high officer type when they are also endowed with leadership and other necessary qualities.’

The scores from the Army Alpha and Army Beta tests did not correlate with the scores of other intelligence tests. The Army tests could score anywhere from 0-212, a much wider range than most intelligence tests, and the average scores were much lower; most IQ tests are weighted so 100 is average, but the average in the Army tests was 45-74, which on most IQ tests would indicate mental disability. Though Leopold took the Army Alpha several more time in prison, it doesn’t seem like either he or Loeb took anything close to resembling a modern, adult IQ test, so what they would score on one is unknown.” https://loebandleopold.wordpress.com/faq/#IQ